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by **Frie Rice** on January 2nd, 2012, 4:39 pm

The Simple Fact here is that this supposed on-line tactic is used by people that do not understand the rules and allowed by those that do not know them. The LAW of Warhammer is, rules in the rulebook are only disregarded by special allowances of a codex. Vehicles are only allowed to move their alloted movement. In this case 12" That means from the hull when you break out the ruler you have committed to the move. If you move sideways longways, inverted etc your distance maxes out 12" from the spot measured on the hull, and that the Hull will never in the movement phase exceed the distance. The reason for unlimited pivoting is to allow for vehicles to maneuver.

- Read a Book

by **corsair14** on January 2nd, 2012, 6:02 pm

No point of the vehicle may move over the movement speed. Moving 12" then moving another point of the vehicle 3" means its moving flat out, so will get cover but noone can diseembark. Nice try, OP.

by **Dark Entropy** on January 2nd, 2012, 6:38 pm

Big rule book pg 57states, "Turning does not reduce the vehicle's move" So pivoting on spot for a side ways vehicle could give extra inches past the 12 inch movement right?

by **Kadris** on January 2nd, 2012, 6:43 pm

stop taking only parts of rules and trying to twist them. it says it doesnt reduce them, but it doesnt say its ignored or that it increases the move or that rotating in place doesnt change the movement either.

You measure from the hull of the vehicle and from the edge of the vehicle no part of the vehicle may exceed the distance you are declaring it to move. its that simple. you can have a skimmer doing cartwheels across the board but measured from the edge of the vehicle out you cant go more than 12" and say you didnt.

by **tomdogg** on January 2nd, 2012, 7:11 pm

The rule book didn't allow it in 4th edition, and its not allow now. So don't try to do it now SHANE.

by **Dark Entropy** on January 2nd, 2012, 7:15 pm

I was not trying to twist but clarify. Plus I cant go around saying what it doesn't say but understand what it does. I personally agree with you Richard. I just wish rules were more explict to keep shenagins from happening or perhaps I need to stop reading into things to much which I often do.

by **Dark Entropy** on January 2nd, 2012, 7:17 pm

Or shanagins. A friendly Jab Shane which I couldnt pass up.

by **Haf** on January 2nd, 2012, 7:19 pm

I can resolve this using a program that starts with the letter V to illustrate this problem with pictures. Some people don't like it being broadcast-ed on their forums hence why I'm hesitant to showing it using it for diagrams. All in all, this is just rules lawyering and shadiness. Is it legal? by some crazy extent yes, but if I see this done in a game, I will only accept it right on the deployment line. It is pretty damn easy to figure out exactly how far 12" is no matter what part you use to measure. Furthermore, everyone needs to remember, VEHICLES DO NOT MOVE SIDEWAYS! I think that will clear up a lot of confusion as well.

Simple scenario for movement is this: Pivot to whatever direction you want to move, measure however much you want to move, if you still need to turn, pivot again till the front aims to the direction you want to move, then measure the remainder of the movement, pivot to show the facing you want, and done. Now, that might give you a slight advantage, but it's not a 3" advantage that most people think, in reality, it could be more like 1 to 1 1/2" in total.

Another form of bad or "illegal" movement is something called "sliding". Like I said before, vehicles do not move sideways. So that means I can't move from off the board edge, and end my move sideways and claim that it is the distance measured. For me to move from off the board edge, I need to move directly straight, and wherever I end up, pivot on the spot. That means I would lose about an inch or so, but that is something we have to deal with just as "gaining" an inch for starting on the deployment line sideways. This is a lot easier to show with illustrations so I'll leave it at that for now, but if people really are having such a hard time with this we should discuss it with pictures so everyone gets the exact meaning without any incorrect interpretations.

p.s. - My marines are, Pi-m-p

by **Dark Entropy** on January 2nd, 2012, 7:23 pm

Aparently I cant spell either. Shenanigans.

by **IPurify** on January 2nd, 2012, 7:50 pm

I chuckled when I read Shanagans

@ Chris
I highly appreciate the effort you may put in through pictures and what nots, but i will be there on Wednesday and can most likely present my point of view hands on. Everyone has made a great argument for their side.

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